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    Is UA war topic removed?

    Found some insight about situation:
    http://www.the-village.ru/village/ci...ws/176731-army

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    Removed? Prehaps. But it is not erased.

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...browser-ubuntu

    Perhaps it is time to mirror this forum somewhere that beyond the influence of Tsar Putin? Not that the internet is any safer in the hands of comrad Obama.

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    I voted for removal as I regretted some of my posts in it and because there's enough coverage elsewhere.

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    Politics and regrets seem well correlated. It is more fun and productive to focus on algorithms.

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    The topic got a little wider than just the Ukraine but encode stated in the very beginning before much was said that political discussions are not welcome/easy to keep in here.
    Last edited by just a worm; 5th March 2015 at 09:58.

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    International joint investigation team MH17 call for witnesses:
    http://www.jitmh17.com/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olQNpTxSnTo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportman View Post
    MH17 hit and 298 work/holiday people murderd by BUK rocket proof
    No offence, but do you know about the following fact?
    250000 innocent people exterminated by Y-1852 (Little Boy) and Y-1561 (Fatman) bombs proof
    https://www.google.com/search?q=Atom...a+and+Nagasaki

    I wonder how your political ego will react on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skymmer View Post
    I wonder how your political ego will react on this.
    I'm against showing atomic power by killing so many people to stop a war, I think smaller scale (area with fewer inhabitants) had probably the same effect, but I do not know all the details of that time.

    MH17 people took not part in the Russia against Ukraine war and had no option to vote and had limited options to support or protest against the leaders of Russia and Ukraine.

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    @sportsman: How do you conclude that it is a war of Russia against Ukraine?

    As far as I know there is an inner-Ukrainian conflict.

    President Poroshenko wants to solve this conflict in eastern Ukraine military.
    But the UA has no money for war.
    I think Poroshenko decides this not lonely but in consultation with the CIA and the US government.
    And the EU has to pay the war.

    President Poroshenko does not allow payments to Ukrainian pensioners and public sector workers.

    Mr. Yatsenyuk said ... that Ukraine would pay “every person the social benefit he has a right to ...

    But not now - he want to wait - He wants to wait until people have died?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/06/wo...reas.html?_r=0

    - a year ago (after the CIA director has visited Kiev) the US government has sent 300 Blackwater mercenaries in the Ukraine.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/melikkay...war-has-begun/

    - obviously, Russia supports the Russian separatists by humanitarian aid, "soldiers on vacation", "member of the secret service on vacation" , ...

    - the British Prime Minister David Cameron has announced the deployment of military advisers in the Ukraine. According to the "Guardian" : 75 soldiers.

    - American soldiers will deploy to Ukraine this spring to begin training

    http://www.defensenews.com/story/def...ssia/22119315/

    This means for me:
    now we have in the ukraine a "proxy war" and this is definitively not good for the ukrainian people, which want to live there in peace.

    best regards

    PS: (in german TV)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9R5UEVMJHE
    1:09/7:21 - 500 blackwater-soldiers in UA

    I think, we need to tell the Americans that citizens in the EU do not want war.
    Even a war far away from the borders of the United States but in our immediate neighborhood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joerg View Post
    How do you conclude that it is a war of Russia against Ukraine?
    There are only two armies fighting, both speaking Russian with both some supporters and some hired from all over the world.
    Ukraine did not attacked Russia and waited round 6-8 weeks before responding at Russian attacks in east Ukraine.
    About the Russian Crimea attack where the war started with, Putin told already proud that the Russian army did it.

    Blackwater do not exist under that name since 2009 when it was renamed to US Training Center, in 2010 it was sold and in 2011 renamed to Academi. Everybody can hire from them or other companies security guys for round 1200 dollar a day, probably some rich Ukraine business men hire them for protection of their business interests/properties.

    Probably major countries send (or are asked by Ukraine gov) also some of their military specialists to check damages, weapons used and progress armies.

    Russian army spend as much money as the three biggest EU armies (UK/FR/DE) together, Ukraine can never win this war alone and only hope Russia keep the Minsk 2 agreement.

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    For who want to read the final report of the MH17 research:
    http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/
    Detailed research and images you find in the appendices A till Z.

    Not written in report but said later in interviews with board members:
    The total 320 squared kilometer maximum possible BUK launch area was in hands of separatists.
    Satellite images where seen (by two of the research team) but must kept secret https://twitter.com/hdevreij/status/654205802329317377
    Ukraine kept probably their airspace open not to lose face, the overfly rights are 180 million a year and less for the east Ukraine where round 160 airplanes a day passed.
    Russian BUK specialists gave clear info in one meeting to say in the next meeting info was only hypothetical if their leaders whistled them back.

    New for me was the audio data they recovered from the different channels (multiple microphones) of the cockpit voice recorder and could use the timing difference to discover what direction impact came from.

    There is a separate criminal investigation research where results are expected end 2016.
    Last edited by Sportman; 14th October 2015 at 14:20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportman View Post
    There is a separate criminal investigation research where results are expected end 2016.
    There was yesterday a JIT press conference in Dutch language with (court ready) proof what shot down MH17 (Russian BUK), from where (Russian separatists area), where it (BUK) came from (Russia) and where it (BUK) wend to (Russia) and who requested the anti air craft missile (Russian separatists).

    English translated video with the JIT press conference:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BtBEV_rAd0

    Basic JIT listened 150,000 phone taps provided by Ukraine secret service, send 100,000 (paid) SMS to people who where near the (MH17/BUK) locations that days, with the request to send any info about MH17 to the 250 JIT researchers (police investigators), RADAR data from Ukraine mobile RADAR, satellite images from US, ESA and weather, text, photos, videos (also quick deleted) from social media, countless interviews with witnesses and forensic research at different locations.

    JIT has left a list of 100 people with all personal details and must now (research do not stop, can still take years) find out who did what, who pushed the button and who gave the order.

    More info:
    https://www.politie.nl/en/news/2016/...vomaiskyi.html
    https://www.politie.nl/themas/flight-mh17-2.html

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    i just imagined Nurnberg tribunal sending SMSes to entire Europe population requesting videos of nazi crimes

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    Circus not more nor less. And don`t forget US won WW2 8-)

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    Prosecution of four suspects for downing flight MH17

    The Public Prosecution Service will prosecute the following people:

    Igor Vsevolodovich GIRKIN (48 ) https://www.politie.nl/gezocht-en-ve...ch-girkin.html
    Sergey Nikolayevich DUBINSKIY (56) https://www.politie.nl/gezocht-en-ve...dubinskiy.html
    Oleg Yuldashevich PULATOV (52) https://www.politie.nl/gezocht-en-ve...h-pulatov.html
    Leonid Volodymyrovych KHARCHENKO (47) https://www.politie.nl/gezocht-en-ve...harchenko.html

    https://www.om.nl/onderwerpen/mh17-c...secution-four/

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